The Hidden Message of Star Wars: Episode III

Thursday night, I watched Star Wars: Episode III – The Revenge of the Sith. Understand – I’m not a Star Wars geek, so I did not gasp in amazement after each ‘answer’ was revealed which unlocked the many mysteries from Episodes I, II, IV, V, and VI. Luckily for me, my theatre in Grand Rapids was not packed full of costumed geekoids, so there was no impromptu ‘acting’ going on in the aisles. For this, I was grateful.

I liked the movie. The acting (as widely reported) wasn’t good, but the special effects were outstanding.

I was on the lookout for the so called anti-Bush messages that I’ve read about from other blog articles and main stream media reports. I couldn’t find anything along these lines. Some have claimed that the evil Chancellor Palpatine character is really a caricature of Senator Bill Frist of Tennessee. I myself could not see the connection.

I did discover a different message played out in the movie. In fact, the message is more like a warning. A warning to the Catholic Church.

What is this warning? Priest should remain celibate, and homosexuality is a threat to the future of the church.

(***Possible Spoilers Ahead – Be Forewarned***)

One of the movie plot lines focuses on the pregnancy of the Padme character who is carrying twins Luke and Leia. The father of the twins is none other than Anakin Skywalker. Both Anakin and Padme have chosen to keep their marriage and the pregnancy a secret from everyone, including the Jedi council. If the council were to find out that Anakin was married and that he was a soon-to-be father, he would have no chance at becoming a Jedi Master. Throughout the first part of the film, Anakin has dreams that Padme will die during the delivery of the twin babies. Apparently, when a Jedi has dreams, it’s a sign of the future to come. Anakin is appropriately fearful of this, and he decides to do whatever possible to save Padme from impending death.

This is where all good goes bad.

Jedi are to be selfless people, and are only to think about the welfare of others. The problem is, Anakin’s love, Padme, will die if he doesn’t do something to save her. He believes he’s due a seat on the Jedi council as a ‘Master’, but he is rebuffed by other Jedi masters. This makes him angry and suspicious of his fellow Jedi. A woman has come between Anakin and the Jedi code. Due to his dedication to Padme, he rejects the code of the Jedi. He begins thinking selfishly – he begins to crave more power. Ultimately, Anakin is doomed as he turns to the dark side.

When a woman comes between a Jedi, a wedge is driven between the Jedi and his fellow Jedi’s. The will of the council cannot be done. The mission of the council cannot be completed. The Jedi who is involved with a woman focuses completely on her, and not on the needs of others. As she demands more from him, he begins to think only about her and his life with her. He is unable to think and care for others in an equal way. He has become selfish and cannot be a Jedi Master.

Is it a mistake that there are no women on the Jedi council? No.
(I have since been informed that there have been women on the Jedi council in the past. Thanks for all who provided that insight. I stand corrected. -ed.)

The Jedi council is the Catholic Church.

The Padme character, her pregnancy ‘problem’ and her neediness represent homosexuality in the Catholic priesthood.

While celibate, a priest can do the will of the church. They can selflessly serve their catholic parishioners. Once they break their celibacy and give way to homosexual urges, they become focused on it and cannot effectively serve the church any longer. They hide their character from the church, just like Anakin hides his marriage and fatherhood from the Jedi council. They know that if the Catholic church finds out about their homosexuality, they can no longer serve as a priest. They become more selfish and think only of themselves, of feeding their urges. They no longer care about their victims. Anakin no longer cares about the people he once loved and to protect his power, he permanently harms them or kills them.

As a homosexual priest carries out his actions in private, he permanently harms his victims, mostly young boys. In the film, Anakin kills Jedi younglings without remorse. This heinous act is one that no Jedi could even think about. He no longer carries any guilt or shame over his actions. Ultimately, Anakin sucombes to the dark side, becomes Darth Vadar, and the republic is destroyed. As homosexual acts by church priests propagate, the strength and trust in the church is broken.

The warning from Star Wars: Episode III – The Revenge of the Sith is simple. Priests in the Catholic church must remain celibate, or the church will sucomb to evil and face destruction.

Flashback: In 2002, other bloggers wrote about the Catholic church connection to the Jedi council.

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Comments

  1. Holy smokes!

    Holey moley.

    THIS is gonna get some buzz! 🙂

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  3. The Anchoress says:

    Star Wars a cautionary tale for the Catholic Church?

    Now this is something to raise the eyebrows and make you look for another cup of coffee.

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  4. John S. says:

    Actually, there ARE women on the Jedi council… several, actually (although mostly aliens). And I would say a substantially large percentage of Catholic priests are gay, but most of them do not act on it, and of the ones that do, most of them do it with adults. I guess you can interpret the Star Wars movies in any way you like, but this particular interpretation seems to be stretched a bit too far.

  5. There are women on the Jedi council.

  6. megpotamus says:

    Um, okay, I haven’t seen it so that makes as much sense as anything except the idea that it is homosexual sex. Sounds like the Phantom Menace is just regular old man-on-top-get-it-over-with-quick, Rob and Laura Petrie type activity. Now, if he did it with a wookie…

  7. I’m with you part of the way. Haven’t seen the movie, but am reading the book, and much more of a fan than you. I agree that I saw a parallel between the Jedi Council and the Catholic Church in episodes II and III, specifically in the area of celibacy. The Jedi asks of there members to give up all possessions and to meditate on the “force”. They are not allowed to marry and so and so forth.

    That said, there are women on the Jedi Council. There are also many women Jedi. So you are wrong on that issue. Maybe the movie didn’t do a good job of displaying them. In the book, they are often off planet, and thus would be portrayed as fuzzy holigrams. I can understand missing gender in a sci-fi flick.

    However, I have found no issue in regards to homosexuality. Absolutely none. I may agree with you on how homosexuality may effect the Catholic Church, but this issue is no where to be found in the Star Wars books I’ve read. Indeed, I’d say Lucas is rather homophobic if you read through the entire “expanded universe” as I never recall any homosexual relationships.

  8. Sorry dude, you got it wrong (not your fault – it is because of stuff that Lucas kept out of the movie but was in the novelezation). The Jedi fell because they were not allowed to love, which made them weaker than the sith. That is why Luke is sent to his Aunt and Uncle’s place to grow up, so he can grow up with attachments – the Jedi recognized they screwed up, and want to have Luke trained differently.

  9. Jason O says:

    Um…actually there are women on the Jedi Council.

    Though that does not really detract from the Catholic church analogy. The Jedi are still expected to be emotional cripples, and then they wonder why people like Dooku and Anakin end up going to the dark side.

  10. Interesting take, however, there are female members on the Jedi Council. There are at least two – Yaddle and Depa Billaba.

    More info at –
    http://www.starwars.com/databank/character/

  11. joe cioffi says:

    (While celibate, a priest can do the will of the church. They can selflessly serve their catholic parishioners. Once they break their celibacy and give way to homosexual urges)

    I hope you’re not implying here that all priests are homosexual or that all priests are pedofiles. Most priests are straight and selfless or attempt selflessness in their work. But a non celibate straight priest poses similar problems with respect to being devoted to his wife on the same level as the church.

    Anyway…its a good read and an interesting comparison.

  12. Faith+1 says:

    Padme represents homosexuality? That’s a bit of a reach don’t you think? What about a more literal concept that still fits with the “Jedi Council=Catholic Church” concept–priests shouldn’t marry?

    I was with you until the left turn at “Padme=homosexuality”. Had the movie implied a relationship between the Emperor and Anakin then I’d see your point.

    Frankly, I didn’t see it as a subtle point. I don’t think that point existed at all…

    P.S. Not a Catholic or particiualrly religious. More like Born Again Agnostic. 😉 The nickname is from South Park…

  13. The Kid says:

    I’ve not seen the movie yet, but I agree with your observations on the Church. Where the seminaries went wrong was in not enforcing celibacy. The original thought was that those with homosexual tendencies were okay as long as they were celibate; sexual orientation was immaterial as long as one did not engage in sexual acts. However, the celibacy rule fell by the wayside at some seminaries and homosexual activity was tolerated.

    When I was in a Catholic seminary in the mid-1960s (I left in 1966), discipline was tough, being a gentleman in all aspects of one’s life was an ideal, and selflessness was demanded. Any hint of sexual misconduct or the inability to control one’s sexual tendencies was grounds for expulsion. I don’t know if any of my classmates had a gay orientation simply because sexual activity was not allowed.

  14. Is it a mistake that there are no women on the Jedi council? No.

    Well except that there are:
    Luminara Unduli
    Adi Galla
    Depa Billaba
    Shaak Ti

  15. Pat Hajovsky says:

    Your comments are interesting, but I’m afraid remarkably off-point regarding the Church’s teachings. I would urge you to pick up George Weigel’s excellent biography of Pope John Paul II. In it, he provides a rather complete explanation of John Paul’s “Theology of the Body”. As a Catholic myself, I’ve never seen a better explanation of the teaching surrounding celibacy and human sexuality, in particular the teaching regarding sexual relations between a man and a woman. The section on this is not long, perhaps 10 – 15 pages max.

    To inadequately summarize, your conclusion regarding homosexual’s inability to serve as a priest is, I believe, off base. The mastery of the inner self and the dedication of that self to God is gender-neutral. While I do not accept that homosexuality is a genetic predisposition, I believe you’ll see from the teaching that the argument on that point is rendered wholly irrelevant. Thus your conclusion is, I’m afraid, one coming from reliance on popular culture rather than an understanding of the actual teaching of the Church.

    The whole book is excellent, but I believe upon reading that section you’ll see how your argument would necessarily be refined.

    Pat Hajovsky

  16. Anonymous Skeptic says:

    Okay… is this a joke or do you actually believe that a story built of common archtypes, many taken directly from Le Morte de Arthur, actually has any of this shit hidden in it? This is supposed to be a parody on the whole anti-bush message right? I am unsure, given the way the article is worded, if this is sarcasm or not.

  17. Downwood says:

    -Is it a mistake that there are no women on the Jedi council?-

    Apparently you missed the first two movies. There are female Jedi, and female Jedi on the council. While your points are still valid, and I agree, please do some fact checking. I’d hate to think you were taking the Newsweak approach to writing.

  18. Jabba the Tutt says:

    Hmmmm, is George Lucas Catholic?

  19. There are women on the Jedi Council. And there are women Jedi. Women Jedi are seen everywhere, and in Episode I there is a “female Yoda”, named “Yaddle”(another bad Lucas name for this new series). Otherwise, I like your analysis, but it doesn’t hold up completely since there ARE female Jedi on the council.

  20. okay… let me get this straight, the council is the catholic church, and the married man is suppose to be representing a gay priest. Correct me if i’m wrong but aren’t most priest probably straight and after women? I know that the catholic bishops and priest in rome have a special place to pick up hookers and most priest actualy think about marriage or have a woman on the side, not a man. And considering that homosexuality is such a small percentage of the population I think your ideas are way off base and that you are actually writing about something more personal to your life. Perhaps a priest you know that is struggling or a family member. The situation that you mention, personal satisfaction counting for more than your duty to your faith/duty/job. is a common theme and doesn’ not have to be linked to gayness. Sorry you exposed to much of yourself here and you need to look back to the motivator of your thoughts. Not blame gays for raping kids,…hmm could it be the celibate thing instead?
    and no gay guy i know has ever been interested in kids, hairless guys maybe but never kids. Thats just wrong no matter who or what you are.

  21. Benjamin says:

    There are women on the council. They never speak, but they are there.

  22. Just to point out: there ARE women on the Jedi council. And there was even a female Sith Lord.

    I realize that’s geeky and lame to point out, but hey, we’ve all got to have our fact-checking standards.

  23. please, tell me he’s kidding

    This exploration of a “hidden meaning” in RotS is so bizarre that I can only assume it’s a parody of something else. The idea that Padme somehow represents the dangers facing the Catholic Church (yes, that Catholic Church) is ridiculous…

  24. pawntificate says:

    Did you find yourself rooting for the Jedi throughout the film? At the point where Yoda gives his “advice” to Anakin, I realized that there was something horribly wrong with their outlook. The Jedi are supposed to be impartial defenders of The Good ™, but don’t have time to listen to Anakin or treat him with friendship. The expectation that people, even those charged with Jedi-hood or priesthood, can somehow overcome their natural (God-given?) desire for love in intimacy is crippling.

    I don’t see the film as having to do with homosexuality, though. Its about a system that gives no hope, ever, to those that have pleged themselves to celibacy. Its about the alligiance of love vs. commitment to an organization.

  25. I think Punditguy is projecting.

  26. Hey, Bill. Welcome to Grand Rapids! Hope you enjoyed your visit. Interesting commentary. Fascinating take. Sort of seems like we see what we want to see in these things? I’d be surprised if Lucas consciously had that message in mind, but the interpretation isn’t necessarily less valid because of that. Food for thought. Thanks!

  27. I think pretty much any Catholic priest will tell you that the Church prefers its priests to remain celibate so that they will focus their attention on their religious works and thoughts, and not on their families (in the case of married priests) or their lovers (in the case of extra-marital heterosexual or homosexual affairs). Heck, here’s a Catholic web site that spells it all out in detail, especially as far as married priests are concerned:
    http://www.catholiceducation.org/articles/apologetics/ap0121.html

    I haven’t seen the movie yet, but it sounds as though the Jedi council pretty much takes the same official position as the Church with respect to MARRIAGE. Since Padme is a woman and she MARRIES a Jedi, I don’t really understand the immediate relevance of the digression into homosexuality. Yes, priests are not supposed to engage in homosexual contact (nor is anyone else) – but the immediate Catholic connection seems to be that Star Wars advocates UNMARRIED PRIESTS. The Pope will be thrilled.

  28. I think that your analogy needs some modification. There were female Jedi, though none apparently on the Council. So there are apparently women priests, but no women Cardinals at this time, so to speak. (Assuming all of the aliens on the council are considered male.)

    I’d fully agree that the Jedi are analagous to celibate priests, because Jedi parents having Jedi children would likely lead to a Jedi dynasty mucking up the ruling of the Republic. IIRC, Catholic priests were only required to become celibate after too many offices in the Church became inherited. Conflating celibacy with homosexuality certainly fans the flames of a greater controversy, but it seems to me like a parlour trick to spark discussion, rather than a serious point. (That being said, you pulled me in!)

    What struck me was the pro-life message in Revenge of the Sith. Even endangered by her pregnancy, Padme doesn’t even consider having an abortion, and no one even suggests it.

  29. B. Minich, PI says:

    One quick note: women could be on the council. In fact, I think there was one in Episode III. When you think Jedi council, think structure of UN Security council – some permanent memebers (Yoda, Mace Windu), and some rotating members. Much more effective than the Security Council, though.

  30. cardeblu says:

    “Is it a mistake that there are no women on the Jedi council? No.”

    I hate to break it to you, and I could be wrong, but I think there is at least one woman on the council. Will have to watch E-I and/or II again.

  31. On Sith

    First of all, hah! George Lucas is a proponent of conservative Catholic doctrine! Benedict XVI will appeciate the added advocacy, even in these unlikely quarters, I’m sure. Moving on. So, watched it last night. It was good. I really actually…

  32. Blackwing says:

    A bit of a stretch on the homosexuality angle. The less refined and tortured meaning is that age old greek formula that women complicate and subvert the work of men; associating with them too freely will compromise a man and divide his loyalty to fellow men.

  33. Deconstructing Lucas

    Courtesy Bill the Pundit Guy (The Jedi Council is the Catholic Church), Dean Esmay (a conveniently organized set of archetypal signifiers that lend themselves to endless allegorical attachments), and Nick Gillespie (medieval Knight's Tale, ala …

  34. Well, All Righty, Then….

    PunditGuy doiesn’t find any hidden messages in Revenge of the Sith about George Bush. But he does see hidden messages about Catholic priests, celibacy, and homosexuality in the flick….

  35. Hilarious! You’ve perfectly parodied the religious right!

    I especially liked how you connected Anakin’s desire for his wife to homosexual urges. Only the fanatics on the right would see a desire to love a woman as homosexual. Well, even they probably wouldn’t go that far, but that’s what makes this such a great parody.

    I also like how you assume that once Priests break their vow of celibacy they will have homosexual urges, not heterosexual urges. Again, only the religious right would think that all Priests are gay, but just suppressing their desires. Those wacky Dobsonites!

    Very funny stuff.

  36. B. Durbin says:

    “May the Force be with you.”
    “And also with you.”

  37. Your points are valid, I’ve actually consider this idea myself, however, (I am Star Wars geek) you’ve gotten a fact incorrect, there are women on the Jedi Council (at least there have been in the past http://www.starwars.com/databank/character/yaddle/index.html).

  38. Daily Pundit says:

    Well, All Righty, Then….

    PunditGuy doesn’t find any hidden messages in Revenge of the Sith about George Bush. But he does see hidden messages…

  39. Pete The Elder says:

    Better Than Return Of The Jedi?

    I saw the film this morning and think that Revenge of the Sith is definitely the best of the three prequals and possibly better than Return of the Jedi. I will need to see it again before I can render…

  40. The Kid says:

    It may come as a surprise to Tim, but most priests are celibate and don’t visit hookers or have a gal on the side. That’s why there are fewer priests today – good men are hard to find, although Tim seems to be of the school where women believe hard men are good to find.

    Alex misses the point that celibacy is the key and that one consequence of misguided Church leaders’ decision to adopt a liberal “don’t ask, don’t tell” policy twenty or so years ago was to accept folks who would not have been admitted under previously strict rules. Many American bishops started easing off on the discipline, the rigor – physical, spiritual, and intellectual – in their seminaries to attract more candidates. Those who engaged in sexual relations were no longer expelled, but put into counseling and were allowed to proceed to ordination.

    The terrible scandal of priests molesting youths is attributable the relaxed standards and incompetence of the bishops. Some of the bishops were aware that one, two, or more of their priests were pederasts, but provided no discipline, no leadership in ridding their diocese of these evil folks, men who prey on young boys. The host of this site is not parodying the Religious Right, he’s not saying that celibacy caused men to turn queer, but that the relaxation of standards allowed predators who were not capable of practicing celibacy to enter and remain in the priesthood. It’s a horrendous, inexcusable error – Catholics call it a sin and a crime, secularists call it a crime – to allow these miscreants to molest the vulnerable.

    A “Religiously Right” attitude would have served the church better – the miscreants should have been expelled upon the first discovered infraction instead of put into counseling. Counseling has proved ineffective for sex offenders of all types – how does one change the most intimate, ingrained desires in the politically correct manner that our society will condone? It can’t – reason and reasoned argument has but a minor effect on the emotional, psychological, and sexual aspects of a human.

    Human nature is a known quantity and while some may be led into temptation, more often folks just simply seize the moment and dive right in, as it were. Alex may be confused by the religious aspects of the discussion, so perhaps it’s helpful to look at it from a secular and pragmatic viewpoint.

    The Boy Scouts of America is under attack by liberals for its ban on leaders who are openly gay. What the scouts object to are folks who engage in homosexual acts and/or are advocates for homosexual acts. Scouting’s leaders discriminate for several reasons.
    We’ll first simply acknowledge the religious component – most scout troops are sponsored by churches and some religions don’t tolerate homosexual acts. The scouts accommodate that tenet to avoid offending those who are against it.
    Scouting is not about sex. It’s about family, county, manliness, accomplishment, honor, and all sorts of things, but it’s not about sex. You will not find discussions of heterosexual oral sex, masturbation, or the like in scouting. There are no merit badges for any type of sexual activity, there’s no place for the randy, off-color, or, certainly, obscene. Instead one finds lifesaving, first aid, community service, various hobbies, and other activities celebrated as a way to becoming the total man.
    Whatever the connection between homosexual orientation and pederasty may be, scouting can’t afford to await the results of numerous studies across broad populations to find out the differences. Since heterosexual guys find young gals attractive, and since Girl Scouting doesn’t put men alone with their charges, Boy Scouting is simply being responsible and pragmatic in keeping folks who’ve announced their support for homosexual activity away from their charges, young, impressionable men. This is so simple that it takes someone of the very liberal persuasion to find fault with it; it’s not done to hurt those who are gay, but to protect the underage kids in the program. There is also a concern about proselytizing, since today the gay / lesbian / transgender community has activists with the zeal, but not the grooming, of Mormon missionaries. The fact is that Boy Scouts use ropes for securing tents and bridges, not each other. Am I clear?

  41. Half Sigma says:

    Review of Star Wars Episode III – Revenge of the Sith

    It’s been a few years since Episode II. Anakin (Hayden Christensen) no longer looks like the kid from the Dell commercials. In fact, he now sports a retro hairdo reminiscent of Luke Skywalker circa 1977. Lucas finally got the

  42. Sigfried says:

    Actually, Kid, the early Boy Scout Manuals did discuss masturbation; to discourage it, of course, but that is hardly the same as the modern pretense that sex doesn’t exist for teenage boys…
    As for “there’s no place for the randy, off-color, or, certainly, obscene”, I had to laugh aloud when I read that. Perhaps in some world as fantastic as any Lucas created, but not around any scout campfire in the real world! If The Kid means as policy, sure he’s right–but the phrasing he used caused me to hoot in derision, best laugh I’ve had all day. There may not be a merit badge for obscenity, but if there was it would be one of the first earned for most scouts!
    Or maybe The Kid is talking tongue-in-cheek.

  43. QT Monster's Place says:

    Star Wars III/Catholic Church?

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  44. Here’s just a couple of things I’d like to point out with regard to The Kid’s last post. First, as a gay man, I personally don’t have an issue with the BSA’s ban on gay leaders. As a private organization, that’s their right, and I support it. I don’t think it’s the right decision, but it’s not my decision to make. Second, just because there’s no official imprimatur on discussions of sex, oral sex, or masturbation in Scouting doesn’t mean those conversations don’t happen. For one thing, if you put a dozen teenage boys together anywhere, you’re going to have discussions about sex. And as a former Scout, I can attest that there were frank and open discussions about sexual matters within the troop that were being led by our adult leaders. No one was advocating that all of us go out and shag everyone we met, but they felt that the responsible thing to do with regard to our moral and ethical development was to answer honestly the questions we all had. That doesn’t mean that Scouting is all about sex, and we certainly didn’t earn merit badges for it, but part of the idea of developing the total man is to address the moral and ethical issues surrounding all aspects of his life. So yeah, that includes sex. And I don’t think it’s wrong to preach to Scouts a message of tolerance with regard to homosexuality. I’m not saying I that I think Scoutmasters everywhere should be telling their kids to consider an alternative lifestyle, but it’d be nice if they’d at least voice some opposition to gay-bashing (or to any sort of violence that’s fueled by hatred). I’d also like to address this comment: “This is so simple that it takes someone of the very liberal persuasion to find fault with it; it’s not done to hurt those who are gay, but to protect the underage kids in the program.” When you say you’re “protecting underage kids,” that really comes off to us as “protecting underage kids from all the rampaging queers out there who obviously can’t control their sex drives.” It implies that all gay men are interested in molesting children, and that’s frankly rather insulting. Yes, there are some gay men who molest children, and that’s a terrible tragedy for all of us. But the vast, vast, VAST majority of homosexual men in this country find it as repulsive and repugnant as you do. In fact, most of us are as eager as you are to protect underage kids from sexual predators of any orientation. And I don’t know of many gay proselytizers, either. The homosexual “agenda” isn’t a way for us to recruit a Grand Army of the Rainbow. Our “agenda” is to have the same rights as every other American: freedom from fear, freedom from violence, and freedom to love. We’re not interested in “converting” people to our “religion,” so to speak. If at some point someone had knocked on your door like a Mormon and offered you some literature on homosexuality, would you have been at all interested? Unless you already had homosexual tendencies, I sincerely doubt it. You dig apparently dig chicks; that’s okay with me, and I doubt anything I say is going to convince you that digging guys is better. Move away from the stereotypes: we don’t want to molest little boys, we don’t want to convert everyone, and we don’t want to destroy all your marriages (mostly because you seem to be doing just fine without our help). We mostly just want to be left alone, like you. PS: I tried formatting this to make it readable, but apparently HTML isn’t allowed in comments.

  45. Return of the Jedi unnoficial edition says:

    On Celibacy and Politics in Star Wars

    On Celibacy in Star Wars, and reactive family-derailing philosophies

  46. Playing catch-up

  47. Bob Neville says:

    Even more interesting when you know the deep dark secret of “The Force” as it pertains to the central character in the mythology: ObiWan Kenobi was a Catholic convert. Sir Alec Guiness offers a beautiful account of his conversion and love of the Catholic Church in his marvelous autobiography “Blessings in Disguise.” It’s still around, check it out.

  48. I might not whole-heartedlly agree with the analogies made, however it is well appreciated. In analyzing ROTS you’re not going to have 1 exact right answer , for it depends on the minds of the viewer and what he/she has perceived. Afterall, only George knows what he was really thinking.
    In addition to the above comments, I was able to understand the movie from another degree. The first movie that came out was Ep.4 – so keeping that in perspective, it was ironic how Obi-1 was first introduced as a hermit and one who lived in the caves…I’ve also had a chance to hear other cultures tell their versions of history and how a race of civilized people drove the uncivilized “devils” into caves after having taught them precious knowledge and it was “abused”. Now the catch is this….Obi-1 represents the civilized, so how does that fit sir? Simple, hollywood is hollywood and they like to “fudge”. From Lucas perspective the Jedi might have been the civilized but from the Sith that might not have been so. Remember, the Sith once ruled the galaxy and lost their powers…it was REvenge of the Sith not attack or introduction of. So Sith were an entity that once ruled before the Republic. We all know that before there was light, there was darkness – however, darkness is not to be afraid of or thought of as evil per se. Only movies do that – it makes things more attractive. I also noted that Sith in real life has similar parallels to an acient race of people called Scythians who battled around Persia. The Scythians opposed Egyptian and Ethiopian kings of vast knowledge and supreme mathematics (pyramid and other great structures).
    I could be wrong….hey – this might be G. Lucas way of dealing with a history that he isn’t particularly comfortable with. Sometimes when we are traumatized on any scale level, we will deal with it the best way possible…even if it is through fantasy. Maybe I first glimpsed this when Episode 5 came out. Remember, we the audience didn’t know too much about Vader before hand *man or machine or both?* But Lucas made sure that people will never forget that this big BLACK armoured DARK side jedi was really the father…

  49. You’re schizophrenic … no your not, but its when people start finding hidden meanings in something in a completely different context and they direct comparison suggests something that people get misled into believing some conspiracy … take the Bible Code for example … you can predict the opening of McDonalds or probably my birth if u use it … people got convinced … likewise, you can replace star wars characters like u have and come up with something irrelevant … why the hell would george lucas put that in ? to represent nothing ? ur theory doesn’t even show his view towards it ur just claiming that it represents that

  50. Hi guys,

    Interpretations are just that. Please refer to a couple of statements I’ve made below. This will help you read things in life better and appreciate the world that YOU live in and maybe appreciate yourself better than what you portray yourself. Try not to take other people’s opinions to heart…is not quite healthy and you’ll find yourself stressed out. May the force be with you all! :

    I might not whole-heartedlly agree with the analogies made, however it is well appreciated. In analyzing ROTS you’re not going to have 1 exact right answer , for it depends on the minds of the viewer and what he/she has perceived. Afterall, only George knows what he was really thinking.

  51. Open Hatch says:

    On Celibacy in Star Wars

    On Celibacy in Star Wars, and reactive family-derailing philosophies

  52. “The Padme character, her pregnancy ‘problem’ and her neediness represent homosexuality in the Catholic priesthood.”

    What an amazingly irrational and idiotic leap of logic.

  53. Listen emperor palpatine is emperor constine notice how he was playin the world when he was really on the dark side come on emperor constantine was a pagan sun worshiper pagan now a days is wicca which is worship of nature the force. All tht is the work of the devil in the bible its states the devil is called the “morning star” which is the sun whts behind the sun is the devil people just do the work and stop being lazy nd you will know what’s going on its called subliminal wisdom….

  54. I’d really like to see George Lucas reading this.
    I bet he’d LHAO !

  55. wow this is crap, there’s no direct link between the story and this “hidden message”, it’s a big leap of logic, you put this and this together to explain something that you believe in, just because it fits doesn’t mean it’s the correct key

  56. if anything the jedi represent forces of the good, honorable, honest etc etc. Much like in spirituality, the jedi are set on a path (“the path”)to keep the world in balance, but when emotions, hunger for power, and malice come into play, it warps their minds and puts them off “the path”. They think they are still on “the path”, but in fact are not. All their loved ones can see it, but not themselves. Eventually they go down this false path, and become apart of the forces of evil. They are drawn in by the raw power of the dark side of the force, believing it to be the true path. Little do they know, there are greater limits to the power of the dark side than the “good” side. This is a theme in eastern mysticism. Some of your conclusions seem to be drawn from very convoluted arguments. you seem to make, as boggled said, irrational leaps in your logic.

  57. Haywood Jablowme says:

    Just like Catholic priests, Star Wars is gay

  58. IHATEEVEry1 says:

    haywood i think your on to something. but seriously,this is a load of crap. its just movie.

  59. RandomCatholicGuy says:

    George Lucas certainly makes no claim to be a catholic, therefore I would not leap to state that George Lucas intended for the hidden meaning to represent the priesthood of catholicism. And after re-reading this article, this author (PunditGuy) does not appear to make this claim either. In fact, what he says is, “I did discover a different message played out in the movie.” This comes to be read as interpretation, or personal meaning/perspective. Many times art may be figurative, and might express ideas and emotions that would not translate as fully with words. Sometimes the interpretation may be shared by others. Other times, it may be not. Going to the above, I feel that this line of debate points at similarities between certain aspects of philosophies – specifically the buddhist / eastern mysticism as shared by Catholic philosophy (with regards to priesthood and celibacy and selflessness.) Where the divide seems to appear is when Catholics bring up the idea of the sinfulness of homosexuality. This, I feel is a far more interesting debate.

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